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Post by screaminlegel on Jan 17, 2015 15:22:43 GMT -5
belly pan seat cover air filter manual a point in the best direction to make as correct as possible 440 is stuck-whats it cost to build it new and reliable ? who has the parts I understand restorations-time and cost-knoladge is key little help
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Post by ddub on Jan 17, 2015 23:43:45 GMT -5
Belly pans are tough, they all broke. Is yours repairable?
Seat cover. To my knowledge no one reproduces them. I just had a local upholsterer do mine, Not show, but nice.
parts, Scorp11 has a lot of stuff for the newer scorps. Chip does also. Also look in the thread titled parts suppliers.
I think you need to pull the engine down and find out what is wrong. You might be better off starting with a better candidate. Parts are readily available. It all depends on what you need.
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Post by screaminlegel on Jan 18, 2015 7:50:33 GMT -5
Oh yes the is just starting-no hurry, I was not looking for this- ran into good trade. I was chasing a 79 motoski GPS that I will pick up next month. it was a frozen ice block totally and is thawing out today will show more.
motor is not stuck!!! it was frozen in ice =melted and it spins!!
it will never be a %100 but can be a nice %90 round the pond sled
I have a great machinist when that time comes. I won't pull the motor till I find a pan or make one from alum-it looks like it could be made in 3 pieces? (i am a welder) I will collect parts in a box till its ready for a all out attack I might look for an electric start add on?
I grew up in mid Mi, the neighbors had 3 scorpions-we had days of fun on them-great memories
to be continued when I dig in m
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Post by 75whip on Jan 18, 2015 11:35:12 GMT -5
Ask chip about the belly pans I thought i seen he had some not to long ago. Other wise watch ebay they pop up there time to time. Basicly watch ebay for manuals they are nice to have so you know how to get things apart. But plenty of parts out there. hit the swap meets too. good luck with it.
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Post by screaminlegel on Jan 19, 2015 6:38:16 GMT -5
hello chip? who is chip
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Post by ddub on Jan 19, 2015 7:54:44 GMT -5
Everyone knows chip. Just yell Chip and he will appear!
ok,, maybe not true. Chips email address is cowlesfarm@att.net or his phone number is 860-965-2379
Why I asked if the bellypan was repairable is because many times they are. They are easily welded for just a "rider" which most are.
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Post by screaminlegel on Jan 20, 2015 6:10:10 GMT -5
I don't think it repairable missing a chunk-many cracks thank you
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Post by scorp11 on Jan 20, 2015 12:52:47 GMT -5
You can look here for a full original restoration of one we did. Restored to 100% original so all things are done are correct to the sled. www.vintagesleds.com/bs/index.php/topic,49919.0.html Added by admin on 1/30: here's a tiny URL tinyurl.com/k4vumetGo here for an online parts manual for it. www.vintagescorpion.com/AddPartsTreeXml.aspx?ID=Scorpion1979I know this model quite well and can probably tell you most everything you need to know. Seat Covers - there are some on ebay, I have never used so don't know how they fit. I would just take it to someone and have it done. Belly Pan - tough to find. If you can fab something up, it is a good option. air filter - They didn't have one, so not sure what part that is ? look at parts break down and pick the part that you are referring to. Engine - You have to tear it down and re-seal it. They need to be sealed and timed. Never know what you will find until it is apart too Electric start kit. You need quite a bit if it never had it on it. With the Mikuni carb and primer they start pretty easy if all is in good shape.
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Post by admin on Jan 25, 2015 11:26:34 GMT -5
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Post by scorpionlilwhip on Jan 25, 2015 12:04:27 GMT -5
and do not forget to check the forum for "the care and keeping of a Cuyuna engine" is that thread stickied here? or is it on the vintage sleds site? if it is there is would likely be buried under the flood of posts they get there (Scorp11 has posted a comprehensive thread on this)
-engine seals check them -run premium fuel only! -we prefer a 20 to 1 oil mix (changing plugs is easier than changing pistons) -cooler spark plug on the clutch side -make sure the cool air intake is connected to the engine it is the large plastic bit over top the recoil -if you can make a air flow head that goes on the recoil side -make sure there are no air leaks on the carb boot, the part that connects the carb to the enging -we use tiny bit of octane boost as well as a bit of fuel stabilizer in any fuel we are going to run -stop occasionally and pull the plugs to check the color, brown=good white=bad if you get white, do not force the engine, stop frequently to let the piston on that side cool, make short drives to get it home, beats towing it -make sure the fan belt is in good shape and carry a spare
All of these are just a condensed version of one of the threads that Scorp11 has put up( i repeated this because it is worth noting, either as a post here or a link..cannot remember), his posts on the care of Cuyuna's is mandatory reading
really a lot of the advise is sensible for anyone running a older 2 stroke engine in the days of no lead gas, i have seen people post all over about cuyuna's eating recoil side pistons, but the same people who decry the reliability of the Cuyuna are seen posting about a piston loss on one of their other brand sleds, if they payed attention to the advice Scorp11 has laid out, they might find fewer issues with their pre-unleaded 2 stroke engines
we follow these rules and our sleds are as reliable as anyone else's vintage sled in our region...heck....come to think of it, our engines are apart less than many of the others we know locally, we get more smiles per miles than our relatives up here, one who recently spend a small fortune to purchase a fleet of sleds, 1 vintage and two classics, not following common sense and simple advice has left our cousin with a wrecked "fleet" not one of the sleds they have are running now, and they have come sniffing at us twice looking for replacement machines and "advice" on repair (which would, if we accepted would involve them dropping off the destroyed machines at StingerIII's with the expectation he would repair them and supply all the time and part for free..do not worry as much as we like this relative, we will not get into this money pit)
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Post by admin on Jan 25, 2015 12:24:29 GMT -5
and do not forget to check the forum for "the care and keeping of a Cuyuna engine" is that thread stickied here? or is it on the vintage sleds site? if it is there is would likely be buried under the flood of posts they get there (Scorp11 has posted a comprehensive thread on this) -engine seals check them -run premium fuel only! -we prefer a 20 to 1 oil mix (changing plugs is easier than changing pistons) -cooler spark plug on the clutch side -make sure the cool air intake is connected to the engine it is the large plastic bit over top the recoil -if you can make a air flow head that goes on the recoil side -make sure there are no air leaks on the carb boot, the part that connects the carb to the enging -we use tiny bit of octane boost as well as a bit of fuel stabilizer in any fuel we are going to run -stop occasionally and pull the plugs to check the color, brown=good white=bad if you get white, do not force the engine, stop frequently to let the piston on that side cool, make short drives to get it home, beats towing it -make sure the fan belt is in good shape and carry a spare All of these are just a condensed version of one of the threads that Scorp11 has put up( i repeated this because it is worth noting, either as a post here or a link..cannot remember), his posts on the care of Cuyuna's is mandatory reading really a lot of the advise is sensible for anyone running a older 2 stroke engine in the days of no lead gas, i have seen people post all over about cuyuna's eating recoil side pistons, but the same people who decry the reliability of the Cuyuna are seen posting about a piston loss on one of their other brand sleds, if they payed attention to the advice Scorp11 has laid out, they might find fewer issues with their pre-unleaded 2 stroke engines we follow these rules and our sleds are as reliable as anyone else's vintage sled in our region...heck....come to think of it, our engines are apart less than many of the others we know locally, we get more smiles per miles than our relatives up here, one who recently spend a small fortune to purchase a fleet of sleds, 1 vintage and two classics, not following common sense and simple advice has left our cousin with a wrecked "fleet" not one of the sleds they have are running now, and they have come sniffing at us twice looking for replacement machines and "advice" on repair (which would, if we accepted would involve them dropping off the destroyed machines at StingerIII's with the expectation he would repair them and supply all the time and part for free..do not worry as much as we like this relative, we will not get into this money pit) Is this the thread? tinyurl.com/l428gqp
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Post by scorpionlilwhip on Jan 25, 2015 23:38:35 GMT -5
YES!!! we need that stickied or something, if it is not already, awesome thread
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Post by screaminlegel on Jan 26, 2015 5:48:55 GMT -5
All good stuff!! Listening! Is a whip and sting the same platform?
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Post by admin on Jan 26, 2015 7:13:52 GMT -5
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Post by screaminlegel on Jan 28, 2015 8:17:28 GMT -5
I think Vintage NOS Scorpion snowmobile belly pan # 020087 Range Whip Sting Massey is the pan I need? any body dispute this I have a 79 sting he says it fits a 77 whip?
the next hurdle is shipping-
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Post by scorpionlilwhip on Jan 28, 2015 20:38:28 GMT -5
No, the Massey and Range Whip and 77 to 78 Sting parts will not work
the Whip parts from 77 tp the last year they made them will work on the front end
the 76 whip belly pan might fit and the 75 could be made to fit, the 75 would need some modification, but those ones are fiberglass
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Post by scorp11 on Jan 29, 2015 0:56:42 GMT -5
The only belly pans that will work are 77-80 whip and 79-80 sting. 75 and 76 whip are a narrower ski stance and the range whips narrower too. Yes the front end on a 79-80 sting is the same as the 77-80 whips. Very few differences.
77-78 range whip and range whip stings are completely different. The "sting" designation in 77-78 meant it had a 440 and the "sting" pipe.
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Post by screaminlegel on Jan 29, 2015 7:51:08 GMT -5
thank U and the search continues!
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Post by admin on Jan 30, 2015 13:09:12 GMT -5
screaminlegel, can you post a picture of your old belly pan and do you have a Scorpion part number for it?
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Post by admin on Jan 31, 2015 17:44:42 GMT -5
The only belly pans that will work are 77-80 whip and 79-80 sting. 75 and 76 whip are a narrower ski stance and the range whips narrower too. Yes the front end on a 79-80 sting is the same as the 77-80 whips. Very few differences. 77-78 range whip and range whip stings are completely different. The "sting" designation in 77-78 meant it had a 440 and the "sting" pipe. Two 1979 Whips here at the right price, kokomo.craigslist.org/snw/4860808203.html
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