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Post by 80sting440 on Apr 2, 2017 12:36:17 GMT -5
I do know the pros ans cons of front mount chassies.
I'm somewhat intrigued by the beautiful Super Stinger 440 model.
A lot of you guys seem to be drawn to rebuilding/restoring mid '70 Scorps and I have to admit, some are just gorgeous.
For this discussion, if we could leave out emotions, what are the pros and cons of mid mount '74-'75 Super Stinger, as I may consider one for my next project (don't tell the wife!).
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Post by weverat on Apr 2, 2017 15:53:05 GMT -5
Mid mounts make great grass draggers, and I love having that carb right there in my lap!
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Post by 75whip on Apr 2, 2017 16:41:27 GMT -5
for trail riding I like the forward mounted whip/sting TK models more, but I really got no knocks against the mid mounts, and I seen a lot of them grass draging, and they do very well in e, and f stock classed from what i have seen. having the engine and carb right in front of you is nice. I have never owned a 74 or 75 model (Yet), but have driven them, and I think the 74 75 super stingers are the most comfortable, and best handling of the mid mount scorpions. I mean if you find one you like, get it I think they are good looking nice well built sleds. I would get one if the right one came by.
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Post by oldscorpman on Apr 2, 2017 18:44:50 GMT -5
I do know the pros ans cons of front mount chassies.
I'm somewhat intrigued by the beautiful Super Stinger 440 model.
A lot of you guys seem to be drawn to rebuilding/restoring mid '70 Scorps and I have to admit, some are just gorgeous.
For this discussion, if we could leave out emotions, what are the pros and cons of mid mount '74-'75 Super Stinger, as I may consider one for my next project (don't tell the wife!).
Rene rene, i grew up driving the mid-mounts while i was in high school 1972-76 and just know these sleds real good,alot of the same parts can be used from 72 thru 75.the other thing is i like the metal flake hoods that came on these. that being said ,the 79 whip i built for my wife is like driving a cadillac compared to the model T ride you get riding mid mounts for any long distance. i want to build a 74 or 75 super stinger in blue flake to complete my mid mount collection of 9 sleds, but you just don't see many for sale in wisconsin. rick |
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Post by weverat on Apr 2, 2017 20:51:20 GMT -5
The 75 Super Stinger has that angled motor mount plate. The header pipe curves downward and connects to a muffler inside the tunnel. You have to remove the track to get the muffler out.
BUT -That pipe works as well and makes as much power as a TK/Sting pipe! Back me up on this OBJ.
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Post by obj1 on Apr 3, 2017 10:53:49 GMT -5
well, Weve, they advertised it as "quiet power". I have nothing scientific to go on just our experence. I think the 72 with the exhaust exit out front is the best. They scream baby scream!! I dont know, we have raced all of them and at the end of the day its always different it seems. The blue 74 we have does happen to be the one that gets us the most "gas money". I kind of like the tunnel mount sleds for racing. They dont have so much weight on the skis and if you get the chassis set up so they roll nice, look out.
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Post by oldscorpman on Apr 22, 2017 21:17:58 GMT -5
i have another con of a mid mount chassis. i have spent 3 hours after work every day this week and 8 hours today doing body work on a pitted and dented 71 stinger STEEL chassis just to get it ready to paint. you don't have these problems with a aluminum chassis.
rick
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Post by 80sting440 on Apr 23, 2017 7:07:53 GMT -5
Thanks for your replies guys.
So far the cons out way the pros for me.
I don't drag race and ride mostly ditch (groomed/not groomed) and rivers.
A front engine setup seems to be the ticket for me!
I agree that plain unpainted aluminium chassies are easiest to restore/resurrect.
I'm not sure if a tunnel mount setup is for me.
...hmmm...I'm in no hurry as I've run out of room until I get a building permit for a large shed !!!
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Post by weverat on Apr 23, 2017 16:53:05 GMT -5
Rene - You have to find an old Stinger II, 72,73,or 74. You will love the dam thing! One of your beloved Rotax 503's will bolt right there, run 2 Donaldsons right out the front. You are the man that can fab this up.
Then, to round out your collection you will be needing at least 1 Bubble Nose. They are the best Scorps of all.
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Post by 80sting440 on Apr 24, 2017 13:44:30 GMT -5
Rene - You have to find an old Stinger II, 72,73,or 74. You will love the dam thing! One of your beloved Rotax 503's will bolt right there, run 2 Donaldsons right out the front. You are the man that can fab this up. Then, to round out your collection you will be needing at least 1 Bubble Nose. They are the best Scorps of all. I do agree that I enjoy fabricating stuff and I never restore back to original...I still prefer the looks of a Super Stinger over a Stinger II or Bubble Nose!
A 503 is nice but I equally enjoy a 440 Cuyuna.
I'm curious Weve, why do you think I would prefer a Stinger over a Super Stinger? I'm all ears...err, all eyes...
Rene
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Post by weverat on Apr 24, 2017 15:53:46 GMT -5
Well, I often think of the 71 Super Stinger Wedge shaped hood as it's own thing, and they are really cool too.
The 72 to 75 Stingers and Super Stingers are all the same to me, same track, suspension, engines etc. With these models almost every thing interchanges. When some one says Super Stinger, I only think of the 71 muscle sled.
What I am saying is, the 72 to 76 models are a Scorpion era. Before that we had Bubbles, later came the Whips. So it is fun to have a couple from each era.
My original Scorp back in 1976 was a 72 Stinger II, I have been partial to those models ever since. When I first got into the Whips, it was a bit disappointing because I did not have any parts. So I picked up a few semi wore out whips, and boned them out for parts. Now I have enough shit to play with either Whips, or Stingers.
One thing I found out is, the 340 Whips are easy to find, and they make great parts sleds as they were not beat so bad. The engines are normally low miles, and in great shape. Throw a 440 top end on there and a mikuni, and your set.
The other thing is it is best to use the TK, Sting exhaust manifold and pipe. To get these parts you need to buy the whole sled, but those pipes noticeably out perform the stock Whip exhaust.
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Post by 80sting440 on Apr 24, 2017 18:35:13 GMT -5
Good tips Weve. I do like my '80 Sting, so maybe I should stick with what would be the "modern Scorpions" if I'm choosing to build another vintage Scorp.
Rene
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Post by weverat on Apr 24, 2017 20:43:21 GMT -5
No, you have a modern Scorp, now you will really enjoy the vintage models.
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Post by 80sting440 on Apr 24, 2017 22:53:53 GMT -5
classic, vintage, antique...I really don't know the difference. All I know is that I'm older than any Scorpion, so that must put me in the pre-historic class?
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Post by weverat on Apr 25, 2017 13:50:22 GMT -5
My favorite sled is the oldest one in the coral. My newest sled is the biggest pain in d ass!
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Post by 80sting440 on Apr 26, 2017 22:43:29 GMT -5
What's your newest sled?
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Post by weverat on Apr 26, 2017 23:07:45 GMT -5
93 Polaris Indy Triple
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Post by 80sting440 on Apr 27, 2017 6:52:11 GMT -5
I love the sound of those triples!
Next year you'll be able to take it on some vintage runs as it'll be 25years old.
You'll have to get a newer '94 to have a "modern" sled. 
Rene
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Post by weverat on Apr 27, 2017 21:14:59 GMT -5
Ya, it,s a pretty cool sled, and I have a set of PSI triple pipes for it, but they say you have to make the clutch work at 8500 -9000, and then the extra rpm,s kill the crank shaft.
I am going to put them on any way, it will give it a nice note.
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