Scorpion Registry

[scorp11]

I know how disorganized serial number threads tend to get. In an effort to accumulate these serial numbers in a somewhat consolidated manner and help this discussion along, I am going to add a serial number registry to my site. To do so effectively, I think I am going to want to call out make and model within every year.

I realize over the years of restorations and just getting sleds running again, there are going to be inaccuracies. Tunnels from donor sleds used with other engine / suspensions, but if nothing else, it is a starting point. Just because of all the engine transplanting alone, I think I will leave that off as something that is "registered".

To that end, does anyone know of a good place for year / model info ? David's vintage site is the best place I know of, but that will take a little bit.

Thoughts on other info to collect ? I should have something up in a day or two once I know what I want to collect.

[ontheloose]

Will it list current owner? If your going to list owners, one might want to have several additional columns for past owners/location/approximate years owned (example: John Doe, Big Falls,MN, 1969-1978). Might me a great way for someone to find their old/original sled if they were interested in owning it again.

[ddub]

Personally, not sure that I want my name associated with a sled.

I have to keep OBJ1 from calling.

Kevin, give me a bit and I will get you some info, but I would prefer my name not be associated with the info on a public site.

It will be interesting to see what we come up with. I was surprised years ago that I got no where with the sn of my silver scorpion.

I have a pretty wide variety of scorps, and I have never really paid that much attention to the sn. It might take a while to "find" them all. LOL

[scorpionlilwhip]

it will take us a while to get ours all figured out

[scorp11]

I really hadn't planned to collect anything other than year, model, serial number and optionally the build date. I really don't want to be responsible for anyone's personal info ;D Plus, people don't tend to keep track of all this stuff

I and many others have been through this discussion many times in the past. After years, there is still no serial number list.

After talking with dealers, production workers and those who assembled these sleds years ago, I know there isn't much to discern from the numbers themselves, but I think you will see definite patterns for ranges certain models were built. Specialty sleds like the 71 Super Stingers, the Bullwhips etc. would certainly be interesting.

Probably more so for sleds later on than the earlier ones. So much of the earlier stuff was the same basic sleds with different motors. So many sleds have been restored modified and even had new serial number tags made, there will certainly be some inaccuracies due to that. Not to mention the factory mistakes themselves :-)

Plus, it might bring more sleds like DDubs 72 Wide Track Stinger I's to light.

[ontheloose]

I guess one needs to determine the purpose of the registry. If it is just to post year and model, that would be a great way to determine models/years left or look at VIN# trends. I know several car forums that have a Master Register. They are in charge of all the information that is not posted for the public to see. I believe history is important, so if the register can collect as much information as possible about a certain sled, it will never be lost with time. If someone would contact the Master Register about a certain sled (to say gain history or inquire to purchase), the Master Register would then contact the owner to see if they are willing to have their information or sled history released. I know I'm the green horn here but just throwing out ideas.

[scorp11]

Outstanding question.

I really don't have an answer other than people always want to know what is left, when they were built and such.

This whole thought started in a discussion on the Bullwhip a while back and was brought back up in the Vin Number post on this site. It is something I can easily do on my site. Stuff like that gets buried in message boards along with a lot of talk.

I have seen other brands have a "registry", I never really paid attention to what they collect. If I did collect name information, it would certainly be optional.

I am really open to whatever people want I guess. This is pretty simple stuff for me to add to my site.

[scorp11]

Here is an example for Rupps

www.scribd.com/doc/3159582/RuppRegistryv30

[scorp11]

Here is a start. Sorry for the formatting, but it didn't transfer over cleanly. The engine size and track info is just notes right now. Intent was to make the year and model be something that is picked from a list. Engine could be, but with all the transplants that there are nowadays, I don't know if tying that to serial number is good or bad. Given that motor / model info isn't encoded in the serial number, maybe it doesn't matter and it would beneficial to know.

For those that know the 71 Supers, I didn't even really try to get a list of engine options as I know someone will be able to provide me a list fairly quickly. Might be good to differentiate free air vs fan on that model too. Maybe the 1970 Stinger as well.

1965 Trail-A-Sled

1966 Scorpion Scorpion Name Starts

1967 TAS-280L 16.5 HP Sachs
1967 TAS-J252 10 HP JLO
1967 TAS-292 15.3 HP JLO
1967 TAS-292L 15.3 HP JLO
1967 TAS-280 16.5 HP Sachs

1968 Mark I 275cc Sachs 15 inch track
1968 Mark II 275cc Sachs / 293cc Sachs / 300cc Wankel / 372cc JLO / 594cc JLO / 600cc Hirth 15 inch track
1968 Mark III 293cc Sachs / 300cc Wankel / 372cc JLO / 594cc JLO / 600cc Hirth 18 inch track

1969 Mark II 275cc Sachs / 297cc Sachs / 370cc Sachs / 300cc Wankel / 634cc Hirth 15 inch track
1969 Mark III 297cc Sachs / 370cc Sachs / 634cc Hirth 18 inch track
1969 Mark IV 370cc Sachs / 634cc Hirth 23 inch track

1970 Mark III 368cc Sachs / 400cc / 440cc 18 inch track
1970 Mark IV 440cc 23 inch track
1970 Mark II Stinger 292cc / 340cc / 399cc / 438cc / 493cc / 634cc Hirth / 800cc Hirth 15 inch track
1970 Mark II 293cc Sachs / 340cc Sachs 15 inch track
1970 Mark I 275cc Sachs 15 inch track

1971 Super Stinger 440cc Sachs / 793cc Hirth 15 inch track / 18 inch track
1971 Mark II 293cc Sachs / 400cc 15 inch track
1971 Stinger II 293cc Sachs / 293cc CCW / 400cc CCW / 440cc Sachs 15 inch track
1971 Stinger III 293cc Sachs / 400cc CCW / 440cc CCW / 440cc Sachs 18 inch track
1971 Mark I 275cc Sachs 15 inch track

1972 Stinger III 400cc CCW / 440cc JLO 18 inch track
1972 Stingeroo 277cc Sachs 15 inch track
1972 Super Stinger II 440cc JLO 15 inch track
1972 Stinger I 293cc Sachs / 440cc 15 inch track / 18 inch track
1972 Stinger II 340cc CCW / 400cc CCW 15 inch track
1972 Super Stinger III 440cc JLO 18 inch track
1972 Stingerette 290cc CCW 15 inch track

1973 Super Stinger 440 440cc JLO 15 inch Track
1973 Stinger 290 290cc CCW 15 inch track
1973 Stinger 340 340cc CCW 15 inch track
1973 Super Stingerette 400cc CCW 15 inch track
1973 Super Stinger 400 RV 400cc CCW RV 15 inch track
1973 Super Stinger 400 TK 400cc JLO 15 inch track
1973 Stingerette 290cc CCW 15 inch track
1973 Stinger 290 ET 290cc CCW 15 inch track

1974 Super Stingerette 340cc JLO 15 inch track
1974 Super Stinger 290cc JLO / 340cc JLO / 400cc JLO / 440cc JLO 15 inch track

[scorp11]

Here are the rest.

1975 Lil Whip 294cc Rockwell 15 inch track
1975 Super Stinger 294cc Rockwell / 340cc Rockwell / 400cc Rockwell / 440cc Rockwell 15 inch track
1975 Whip 340cc Rockwell / 400cc Rockwell / 440cc Rockwell 16 inch track
1975 Brut 336cc Twin / 440cc 3 Cylinder 15 1/2 inch track
1976 Whip 340cc Cuyuna / 440cc Cuyuna 16 inch track
1976 Lil Whip 294cc Cuyuna 15 inch
1976 Range Whip 400cc Cuyuna 15 inch
1977 Lil Whip 294cc Cuyuna 15 inch track
1977 Range Whip Sting 440cc Cuyuna 15 inch track
1977 Range Whip 400cc Cuyuna 15 inch track
1977 Whip 340cc Cuyuna / 440cc Cuyuna 16 inch track
1978 Lil Whip 294cc Cuyuna 15 inch track
1978 Whip 340cc Cuyuna / 440cc Cuyuna 16 inch track
1978 Range Whip 400cc Cuyuna 15 inch track
1978 Range Whip Sting 440cc Cuyuna 15 inch track
1978 Whip TK 440cc Cuyuna 15 inch track
1979 Sting 400cc Cuyuna / 440cc Cuyuna 15 inch track
1979 TK / TKX 440cc Cuyuna 15 inch track / 16 inch track
1979 Whip 340cc Cuyuna / 440cc Cuyuna 16 inch track
1979 Lil Whip 294cc Cuyuna 15 inch track
1980 Sting 440cc Cuyuna 15 inch track
1980 Whip 440cc Cuyuna 16 inch track
1980 TK 340cc Cuyuna / 440cc Cuyuna 15 inch track / 16 inch track
1981 Whip 440cc Cuyuna 16 inch track
1981 Sidewinder 440cc Suzuki 15 inch track
1981 Sting 440cc Cuyuna 15 inch track
1981 TK 340cc Cuyuna / 440cc Cuyuna 15 inch track / 16 inch track


Pretty much all of this info was take from the brochures on David's vintage site. You see things you know to be inaccurate let me know. Most of it looked to be right from what I know.

[scorp11]

Ok. I got a "prototype" of this out there. It currently doesn't save anything, but it is at least a starting point for discussion.

Scorpion Model Info (as best I know right now)
www.vintagescorpion.com/ScorpionModels.aspx

Want to see different info, send me the ideas. Think something is wrong ? Let me know.

Scorpion Registry Prototype

like I said it doesn't save anything, but there is some validation and such. I defaulted the build year based on the year. Gotta fix 1981 serial number validation.

www.vintagescorpion.com/SerialNumberRegistry.aspx

[obj1]

Hey i know a guy by Ham Lake MN with a with a 71' stinger. It has a bubble nose hood on it and it seems like the seat is shorter than some ive seen. Also has a twin cylinder with cdi ignition and a early version of pararail suspension. didnt see mention of this in your list. Did you forget these models?

[scorp11]

Apr 17, 2013 10:58:06 GMT -5 obj1 said:

Hey i know a guy by Ham Lake MN with a with a 71' stinger. It has a bubble nose hood on it and it seems like the seat is shorter than some ive seen. Also has a twin cylinder with cdi ignition and a early version of pararail suspension. didnt see mention of this in your list. Did you forget these models?

A former dealer told me they never existed, so I better leave them out ;D I also left out the 79 TK with an 80 hood and vice versa

I want to create a "I have something different from the factory" section to the registry, and also a "I built this myself" section to it. There would be a "notes" field with it where someone can explain what they actually have. But, since that isn't the "norm", I will do that second ;D I may add a "notes to the main registry too. Primarily I would like that to be normal production stuff though.

[macandg]

I love the idea. Thanks for putting the effort. As a newbie in vintage sleds, and with favor towards Scorpion, I know I would appreciate learning more about this stuff. If nothing else it can be an index of production after you the file get populated.

Looking at the Rupp example- it started in 2003 and it a fine looking example of information.

I might offer one observation- you provide two different links but each seems to provide the same information to a viewer. I realize that one link shows the production models for each year, and the second link is for folks to contribute their numbers. But it seems the second link does both functions. I suggest just making the second link your only "data base" to view and those who want to simply view and learn will get the same benefit anyway.

Also, as a viewer of the data, I would like to see the serial numbers and production dates listed. Maybe you can make a button that can produce a "report" of data to print or save...?

Quite honestly, this type of service is something other collector sites make you pay or subscribe for. Come to think of it, is there a "donate" button anywhere on this scorpion site...?

[macandg]

...I forgot to also say I prefer to allow notes be added in some fashion. But you might have to limit the notes to a list.

For example, if we know the history of the sled it would be nice to capture that data.

One Owner / Second Owner
Complete Original- Minor repairs only
Interchange of parts is known on this sled.
History of sled is unkown.

Options like this can be helpful to qualify numbers that don't fit a pattern...yes?

Also, you might want to add a validation rule for entry that confirms production date mataches serial number. if it doesn't, then the person will be asked to check for typing errors or confirm the date is correct.

just a few geek ideas as you start the "master" list, eh.

[scorp11]

Apr 17, 2013 17:08:09 GMT -5 macandg said:

I might offer one observation- you provide two different links but each seems to provide the same information to a viewer. I realize that one link shows the production models for each year, and the second link is for folks to contribute their numbers. But it seems the second link does both functions. I suggest just making the second link your only "data base" to view and those who want to simply view and learn will get the same benefit anyway.

Also, as a viewer of the data, I would like to see the serial numbers and production dates listed. Maybe you can make a button that can produce a "report" of data to print or save...?

It is the same info between the two as far as models. The only real reason it exists on the registry was to give an easy way to select a model. The two are a work in progress. I figured more people may have interest in the models than the registry, so they have their own page. Also, I want to provide more info on model as well long term. Perhaps suspension, track option, etc. I'll look at a way to combine them. I think I have one already ;D

As far as the "report", there will be one once I have some data saved. I didn't want to add another page right now and was hoping to combine it with one of the others. But, If I can combine the model info and the "register my sled" into one like I think I can based on your thought of combining them, I'll use the "Registry" menu item for the list.

Apr 17, 2013 17:08:09 GMT -5 macandg said:

Quite honestly, this type of service is something other collector sites make you pay or subscribe for. Come to think of it, is there a "donate" button anywhere on this scorpion site...?

I am not sure how to fund the site yet. I was hoping to generate enough parts sales off it to pay for it. I don't really want to have to do the "google ads" or banner ads type thing with it.

[scorp11]

Apr 17, 2013 17:15:06 GMT -5 macandg said:

...I forgot to also say I prefer to allow notes be added in some fashion. But you might have to limit the notes to a list.

For example, if we know the history of the sled it would be nice to capture that data.

One Owner / Second Owner
Complete Original- Minor repairs only
Interchange of parts is known on this sled.
History of sled is unkown.

Options like this can be helpful to qualify numbers that don't fit a pattern...yes?

Also, you might want to add a validation rule for entry that confirms production date mataches serial number. if it doesn't, then the person will be asked to check for typing errors or confirm the date is correct.

just a few geek ideas as you start the "master" list, eh.

Thanks for all the input !!

Yes, I plan to add some sort of "notes" with each sled. Let people add what ever they want. I also am thinking about of a "customs" registry and maybe a non-standard section for some of the oddballs they built.

If you play with the register page a little, you will see there is some validation there already.

• From 69 on the first digit of the serial number must match the year. (I have to fix 1981 as with the exception of the Sidewinder, they seem to be serial numbered as 80's.
  
• Serial number and model are required.
  
• I default the correct build "year" based on the model year selected.
  

I wanted to just "hardcode" the year to be one year earlier than the model year. But I don't know that there were no sleds built in Jan or Feb for the current model year. Alternatively, I was going to add a warning on the build year not being correct, but I need to do a couple things to support that. It should be there before I actually start taking numbers.

long term, one thing I want to add to the "parts lookup" section is interchange info. Also things that aren't in the parts book. Things like track pitch, length etc.

Keep the ideas coming, it is easier to incorporate them before it is built.

[ddub]

I am not sure how to fund the site yet. I was hoping to generate enough parts sales off it to pay for it. I don't really want to have to do the "google ads" or banner ads type thing with it.

Personally, If there is enough information and entertainment from a site, I'd rather be able to donate a few bucks than put up with ads. I think that if you "require" a donation to be able to use the feature (enter your sleds into it) you will see a LOT of people walk away without entering useful info.

Kind of a double edged sword.

[scorp11]

Apr 17, 2013 21:36:57 GMT -5 ddub said:

Personally, If there is enough information and entertainment from a site, I'd rather be able to donate a few bucks than put up with ads. I think that if you "require" a donation to be able to use the feature (enter your sleds into it) you will see a LOT of people walk away without entering useful info.

Kind of a double edged sword.

Agree 100%. That is why I was hoping the part sales will take care of it :-)

[pararailer]

Ive only just begun! Got plenty more FRANKENSTIENS for the What The F@#k is that section of the registry